English for unapt people

[gio73]

Here some forumists want to learn English but they don't know how. I think the way for learning is trying, without be scared by our mistakes (a lot of mistakes...)
I'm waiting hamming_burst and Giulio and the our new teacher Leonardo and the all other forumists like dr Zero, young Marco, dear lollo, Vittorio of nineteen eghty-five ... Camillo, of course!

Well, I'm going to describe me: I am not very tall, but I am slim. My hair is long, curly and brown, my eyes are brown too. I love movies and literature. I have got two sons and one husband. So... what about you?

[Pianoth]

"Zero87":
What is the correct form, "we never finish to learn..." or "we never finish learning..."?

Both are correct, it is preferred the -ing form. This is because "learning" is a verb used as a noun.

"gio73":
@Pianoth & Claudio: I'm a disperate case...

There's no need to worry Anybody can learn English. The best thing, in my opinion, is listening and reading english a lot, but of course don't stop practicing like you're doing here.

[gio73]

@Pianoth & Claudio: I'm a disperate case...
@Login/Alex: WELCOME!
I'm going to study grammar rules this night, but my family is watching TV and I like sitting on the sofa next to my husband.
Well, grammar rules can wait. Good night.

[Zero87]

In this forum we never finish to learn something new.


EDIT
uhm...
What is the correct form, "we never finish to learn..." or "we never finish learning..."?

[Pianoth]

"claudio86":[quote="Leonardo89"][quote="gio73"]
I think because is better.

You're absolutely right, thanks, why in this context is wrong.[/quote]

Actually, here why is correct. What I am not sure about is the reason. Perhaps after because you have to put a cause, and not a consequence. However, I have seen plenty of times people using why, and not even once using because.[/quote]
I agree, after "because" you must write the reason of something, for example I didn't go to the supermarket because I was ill. After "why", in non-interrogative sentences, you must write a consequence of something, for example I was ill, which is why I didn't go to the supermarket.
I haven't time to correct some other English errors I read (I'm writing from my mobile phone...), I'll probably do it tomorrow (if nobody precedes me).

[login2]

Here I am!
My (real, yeah login is a little bit stupid but it's simple to remember..) name is Alex I was only 19, I'm not very tall, I have dark brown hair and green eyes (Actually my eyes are green but they are full of brown spots, I know they are strange.. ).
Two months ago I was I physics student but I have recently changed idea and now I'm looking for my path..

I'm preparing my self for the level C1 in english and in this months I probabily will study hard for my english exam (and for the damned medicine test!)..About me I like science, math (but our relationship is a little bit down now.. ), videogames and martial arts..

@Leonardo89
I would be very glad to chat about teaching methods, I'm only an ill-fated student and I just wanted to share my little-experience with languages XD

@Gio73
Thanks for inviting me in this topic!

PS I have no time now to read the all topic, It's Easter Day and I'm in a hurry, so sorry for this rushed answer..

[claudio862]

"Leonardo89":[quote="gio73"][quote="Leonardo89"]
I'm only a student who loves math, especially algebra, which is why I'd like to improve my English to pursuing my dream of a PHD abroad.
I will do lots of English mistakes in this conversation.

I think because is better.[/quote]

You're absolutely right, thanks, why in this context is wrong.[/quote]

Actually, here why is correct. What I am not sure about is the reason. Perhaps after because you have to put a cause, and not a consequence. However, I have seen plenty of times people using why, and not even once using because.

[Leonardo891]

"Zero87":I read thousand - non literaly - books treating of RH. I noted that these book are of two type
- basic (like Du Satoy): they are beautiful for a reading but at the end they leave questions instead of answers
- technic: they are full of RH but for medium math readers (I mean "people in the middle of triennale") they are impossible

So I decided to do a work in which the RH is fully explained and accessible for students which have the first's year bases (I wrote "Analisi I" but it's the same)...
... and so it's the motivation for the firsts chapters of my dissertation (I wrote something similar in the introduction). The meaning of english abstract is only because i need 3 extra cfu: they are 27+3 in which 27 are for the dissertation, 3 are various.

I never thought at a master thesis as a popular work: under this point of view your thesis does a very good job introducing the Riemann Hypothesis to the students of the first year.

"gio73":[quote="Leonardo89"]
I'm only a student who loves math, especially algebra, which is why I'd like to improve my English to pursuing my dream of a PHD abroad.
I will do lots of English mistakes in this conversation.

I think because is better.[/quote]

You're absolutely right, thanks, why in this context is wrong.

P.S. Happy Easter to all of you!

[Zero87]

"gio73":There is a lillà tree in my garden, his perfum is beautiful but unfotunately it blooms just on May.

You are waiting only for a couple of months.

"Pianoth":It also has an interesting history behind it... They say that Chopin has actually improvised this piece! I mean, because of the defeat in the Polish–Russian War, he was so mad that he started playing this piece with all his energy.

Do you also know the history behind the fifth studio of the same opera?

"Pianoth":Epic! [...] The only fault of Cziffra is that, because of his incredibile goddamn hands, he plays everything incredibly fast!

I know, he is really incredible...

Happy Easter to all

[Camillo]

I will listen the various pieces later to day
Happy Easter to everybody .

[Pianoth]

"Camillo":I add another famous studio by Chopin played by Kissin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u6iXQ5_MCA

I've just listened to it: Kissin plays it wonderfully... You have to know that I learned this piece a long time ago, let me say that it is an extremely hard etude...
It also has an interesting history behind it... They say that Chopin has actually improvised this piece! I mean, because of the defeat in the Polish–Russian War, he was so mad that he started playing this piece with all his energy.

I also heard Cziffra's version and I have to say that I personally prefer how Kissin played, it seemed a lot more powerful and clean, how it should be. Anyway Cziffra has interpreted the etude in a completely different way, which is of course not wrong at all.
Same thing for Lisitsa's version, she played almost perfectly, but it seems that she has underestimated the power of the etude.

Let me tell to you a fantastic site where you can find pretty much all chopin's works: http://www.ourchopin.com/musicchopin/
You can hear in that site the version I like the most of this etude: http://www.ourchopin.com/musicchopin/etu10-12.mp3

Listen to that: extremely powerful, but also very fast, precise and controlled!
They should have written who played that, it's a shame I don't actually know who he/she is.

"Zero87":
But the best for me is the one I told to Pianoth (it's Listz's piece)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmq5JBpFf9w

Epic! You have to know that Cziffra is known because of his incredibile goddamn hands! I mean, listen how he used to warm up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7shGLjV0xJc
The only fault of Cziffra is that, because of his incredibile goddamn hands, he plays everything incredibly fast! And because of that, he often destroy some masterpieces... Let me do an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTwRyYIPmj4
That is basically why I don't like him very much... You can hear it, he plays everything without a single error and he also play with a lot of power, but that is not Chopin (hear, for example, Pollini or Horowitz version of this last one).

"Camillo":And last but not least
Beethoven Rondò e capriccio played by Kissin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQn4Qfy_Bek

Beautiful is the right word. He has played this very fast Rondò almost perfectly but still you can hear that Beethoven composed it... I mean, probably you don't know: a musician should be able to play of course the piece, but he should also play the composer...
If this seems strange to you I'll do a simple example:
Chopin's last impromptu, Fantasie-impromptu op. posth. 66, is actually accidentally based on Beethoven's moonlight sonata, Sonata no.14, in particular the third movement (at least it seems to me). However if you listen to both of them by almost any pianist you will very easily recognize (if you know Chopin and Beethoven) who composed which one of those.
_____

So... Happy easter to everybody!

[gio73]

"Leonardo89":
I'm only a student who loves math, especially algebra, which is why I'd like to improve my English to pursuing my dream of a PHD abroad.
I will do lots of English mistakes in this conversation.

I think because is better.

Well, I'm going to describe my afternoon.
I went to supermarket and I met one of my friends: she was elegant with a nice handbag and a cool make-up, your husband was following her and he was pushing with difficulty a trolley with a lot of things. I smiled in my mind and I greeted my friends. After that I bought all things I needed and a very cool nail varnish (it is lillà, a colour between pink and light purple).
I'm going to wear my new nail varnish: good night!

PS There is a lillà tree in my garden, his perfum is beautiful but unfotunately it blooms just on May.

[Zero87]

"Camillo":I add another famous studio by Chopin played by Kissin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u6iXQ5_MCA

Excellent, but in my opinion is a bit fast in some points. I prefer those
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrEKDvyRpDg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi5VTBdKbFM

But the best for me is the one I told to Pianoth (it's Listz's piece)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmq5JBpFf9w

"Camillo":And last but not least
Beethoven Rondò e capriccio played by Kissin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQn4Qfy_Bek

Beautiful

Happy Easter

[Camillo]

And last but not least
Beethoven Rondò e capriccio played by Kissin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQn4Qfy_Bek

[Camillo]

I add another famous studio by Chopin played by Kissin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u6iXQ5_MCA

[Zero87]

Thank you for corrections.

"Pianoth":Let's just stop talking about music anyway.

We wait for gio73 - the topic's composer - and other forumists in order to talk about anything (in english).

EDIT
Hi Camillo, I didn't see you while I was writing my post.

"Camillo":What do you think ? Grand valse by Chopin on You Tube

The Grand Valse (= "grande valzer brillante op.18" I suppose) is a composition which is considered easy enough for advanced pianists, but in my opinion, it is very difficult in order to do the necessary sensibility in playing...

"Camillo": I am not a pianist, I like to listen but I cannot even read music

Don't worry, if you like to listen classical music, it's not strictly necessary you are able to read it in order to understand the structure: obviously I know that this is a great help, but it's not necessary in my opinion. I think that the "listening" is the most important thing to enjoy classical music.

[Camillo]

I want to come back to classic music for piano : I recently listened to Evgeny Kissin and I was really astonished by his performances .
What do you think ? Grand valse by Chopin on You Tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgXlgicfgzE
I am not a pianist, I like to listen but I cannot even read music

[Pianoth]

"Zero87":
Chopin is the best of whole pianists, but it's too hard for me: the only thing I can play from his works is the "Fantaisie Impromptu" (C sharp minor... Do#- in Italian style)...

*Fantasie* Impromptu... That is actually one of the most beautiful and harder-to-play pieces that Chopin wrote, despite the fact that Chopin thought it is too similar to Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata...

"Zero87":
I remember a site ($\text{http://www.ninsheetm.us}$ or something similar) which contains much of nintendo's games piano sheets trascripted from fans (I download pokemon's games, especially GCS, and Super Mario's sheets ).

I already knew that site which I personally don't like so much, just because many (not all of them) transcriptions are quite bad and annoying to play...

"Zero87":
I really love organ works (expecially bwv564,565,582...): there is a site on wikipedia (imslp.com/wiki, I have it in my Firefox's favourites links) from which it can be possible to download piano sheet of classic composers.

I also knew this other site as well, I already downloaded lots of music from there, I even have a 300 GB hard-disk only for those sheet music (e some other music files)

"Zero87":
Georgy Cziffra (do you see on youtube his execution of Listz's "grand galop chromatique"?)

Yeah, Cziffra is definitely epic, however I don't always enjoy very much his playing, listen Chopin's Etudes played by him for example (anyway Cziffra died in 1994, he isn't still alive).
Let's just stop talking about music anyway.

[Zero87]

"Leonardo89":I took a look at your thesis: why didn't you cut at least the first nine chapters on the basic stuff? In this way, you could have enclose much more interesting stuff in the later chapters which are, if I am not wrong, the heart of you thesis.

I read thousand - non literaly - books treating of RH. I noted that these book are of two type
- basic (like Du Satoy): they are beautiful for a reading but at the end they leave questions instead of answers
- technic: they are full of RH but for medium math readers (I mean "people in the middle of triennale") they are impossible

So I decided to do a work in which the RH is fully explained and accessible for students which have the first's year bases (I wrote "Analisi I" but it's the same)...
... and so it's the motivation for the firsts chapters of my dissertation (I wrote something similar in the introduction). The meaning of english abstract is only because i need 3 extra cfu: they are 27+3 in which 27 are for the dissertation, 3 are various.

"Leonardo89":However, you chose a very interesting topic: nice choice!

I know: in the last year of high school - I mean Liceo - I read Du Satoy's book and, after that, my purpose was to do math in university and do a comprehensible and full dissertation of RH...

[Leonardo891]

I didn't imagine all this success for my avatar! Thanks!
I found it surfing the web and I liked it instantaneously.

@Zero87
I took a look at your thesis: why didn't you cut at least the first nine chapters on the basic stuff? In this way, you could have enclose much more interesting stuff in the later chapters which are, if I am not wrong, the heart of you thesis.
However, you chose a very interesting topic: nice choice!

[Zero87]

"Pianoth":I mostly play Romantic music (I love Chopin's and Liszt's works)

Chopin is the best of whole pianists, but it's too hard for me: the only thing I can play from his works is the "Fantasie Impromptu" (C sharp minor... Do#- in Italian style)...

"Pianoth":I love to play music from videogames (I even transcribed some that I really liked)...

I remember a site ($\text{http://www.ninsheetm.us}$ or something similar) which contains much of nintendo's games piano sheets trascripted from fans (I download pokemon's games, especially GCS, and Super Mario's sheets ).

"Pianoth":Of course I love almost any kind of music, I also love J.S. Bach's works, in particular I like Goldberg variations, for example.

I really love organ works (expecially bwv564,565,582...): there is a site on wikipedia (imslp.com/wiki, I have it in my Firefox's favourites links) from which it can be possible to download piano sheet of classic composers.

"Pianoth":I heard those played by Glenn Gould, maybe one of the best pianists of all time... My favourite still-alive pianist is Marc-André Hamelin, do you have a still-alive favourite pianist?

Georgy Cziffra (do you see on youtube his execution of Listz's "grand galop chromatique"?)

EDIT
I disabled the internet link - the only way I know is to put it in Latex's "\text" - for a better protection: I suggest to search with google